In Silicon Valley’s imagined future, AI models are so empathetic that we’ll use them as therapists. Last week, we published a story about people finding out that their therapists were secretly using ChatGPT during sessions. As the writer of the story, Laurie Clarke, points out, it’s not a total pipe dream that AI could be therapeutically useful. But the secretive use by therapists of AI models that are not vetted for mental health is something very different. James O’Donnell, our senior AI reporter, had a conversation with Clarke to hear more about what she found.